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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

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  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  Scholar

  You did state there was abundant secular evidence for 607.

  I just want one example.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

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  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  Scholar, your answer was:

  You ask for ONE piece of secular evidence to support 607. No problem. The calculation begins with the pivotal date of 539 which is accepted by scholarship to mark the conquest of Babylon. proof of this is established by the Nabonidus Chronicle now located in the British Museum.This clay tablet is a well dated record of the Fall of Babylon which yields the date as October 5 Gregorian or October 11, Julian.

  You've given me one piece of SECULAR evidence for 539, the Nabonidus Chronicle.

  I asked for one piece of secular evidence for 607.

  You would also need other secular sources to get the 539BC date for the fall of Babylon e.g. Diodorus giving Cyrus' last year as Olympiad 62.1 or astronomical text Strm. Kambys. 400.

  Once again please name one piece of secular evidence to support 607.

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  Who was the author of Revelation?

  by worldlygirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was watching a program on the history channel the other night and it was mentioned that the author of the book of revelation is not known.

  it is thought to be "john" but they said it could have either been john the baptist, the apostle john, or maybe a completely different "john.

  what is the org's view?

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  City Fan

  Good article Pete.

  This part fits in with some of my recent research:

  it is necessary to bear in mind that since the days of Pompey Rome was in the eyes of the Jewish apocalyptic writers the fourth beast in the Daniel apocalypse (see Dan. vii. 7), the last "wicked kingdom" whose end is to usher in the Messianic kingdom

  This fourth beast was originally viewed as Greece and so when the end didn't arrive the Jewish apocalyptic writers re-assigned the identity of this beast to Rome. The end didn't happen then either and so the beast has continually been re-assigned identities up until the present day.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  Scholar

  I'm still waiting, can you provide just one piece of secular evidence for 607.

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  Evidence that populations descended from the 16 grandsons of Noah

  by hooberus in

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  secular history gives much evidence to show that the survivors of noah?s flood were real historical figures, whose names were indelibly carved on much of the ancient world ?

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4215cen_s1998.asp

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  Or maybe the writers and redactors of these myths chose names for Noah's grandsons that were the same as nations that existed at the time??

  Come on Hooberus, that article is pure drivel.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  City Fan

  Scholar,

  Can you name ONE piece of secular evidence to support 607.

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  Issue of Universal Sovereignty

  by dh in

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  2. bible

  here's another one of my pet questions.... if you're the almighty, ruler of the universe, omnipotent, all seeing, all knowing, blah blah, from beginning to inning to alfa to omega to whatever.

  why when something you created challenges your authority do you accept the challenge?

  (and not turn the other cheek or kill it).

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  City Fan

  Thanks Gary,

  It may be worth subscribing to the Britannica website for a month just to download the article.

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  Issue of Universal Sovereignty

  by dh in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here's another one of my pet questions.... if you're the almighty, ruler of the universe, omnipotent, all seeing, all knowing, blah blah, from beginning to inning to alfa to omega to whatever.

  why when something you created challenges your authority do you accept the challenge?

  (and not turn the other cheek or kill it).

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  City Fan

  Gary,

  Is there any particular book you would recommend on how the bible cannon was compiled especially the New testament?

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  The Society is gonna let you off your homework kids!

  by nicolaou in

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  from the current (uk) edition of 'our kingdom ministry'.

  take a close look at paragraph 4. am i the only one who can see the old pattern of the 1980's re-emerging?

  i had thought that the watchtower had begun to take a more reasonable approach to the secular education of it's members children yet here they are again in 2004 willing to jeopardise the education these young people receive for the sake of indoctrination and control.. .

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  City Fan

  I can remember staying up till midnight and beyond on Thursday nights trying to finish homework.

  Thankfully my parents let me stay off the meetings on nights before exams, obviously going against society rules.
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  I was brought up a catholic.

  by captain pugwash in

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  i went to school with a couple of jehovahs witnesses and they were ok people.some of you lot on here just need to get over it - i don't understand that if you were so bored with it -why did you get into it in the first place ?

  give it up - you made a mistake - get over it - or get therapy or something.. i used to go into school assemblies etc.

  and church occasionally and i was bored stiff so i presume its not something peculiar to jehovahs witnesses halls.i wouldn't go back now but whats the point in whinging about it like you lot?

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  City Fan

  Tottenham in the next round. We still haven't beaten Leicester in this round yet.

  My neighbour is a huge Bolton Wanderers fan and he persuaded me to attend a charity dinner this week at the reebok stadium. He then told me at the weekend that the guest speaker was Alex Ferguson!!

  Hope he brings a translator.

  By the way, it would be interesting to find out if your mates at school were still JWs.